I did not know what to expect as we waited for Dr. Mahathir in an upstairs room of his Perdana Leadership Foundation in Putrajaya. Even though he still travels, records podcasts and is active in other ways, an interview with someone who can look back on an entire century of life was a first for me. I was so deep in thought, head bowed, that I did not hear the former Malaysian prime minister walk into the room, and leapt to my feet when I realized he was standing right by the table. Within moments we had begun recording, and, over the next 30 minutes, we moved from history to the present day, from war to peace, from tariffs to affirmative action, and from Donald Trump to Nelson Mandela. Click to listen to Bloomberg Weekend Editor-at-Large Mishal Husain's interview with Mahathir Mohamad I found him forthright, undimmed, rarely hesitating before an answer, but able to skirt and deflect when he felt the need. I asked which of his contemporaries he admired, and whether he envied how Lee Kuan Yew had made Singapore one of the wealthiest nations in the world. (On this there was one word before he moved on: "No.") There was advice about how to age as he has: "You do not get fat, and you do some exercise, and keep your brain busy. Thinking, talking, discussing, writing, reading." And, on President Trump, he did not hold back. "His strategy is wrong," he said of this period when Malaysia, like so many countries, is being threatened with ever-higher tariffs. "It's going to damage America more than the rest of the world." Mahathir Mohamad at the Perdana Leadership Foundation in Putrajaya. Photographer: Ian Teh/Bloomberg Read more: Mahathir Mohamad: Trump Is 'Against the Whole World' Mahathir's life and career has not been without its controversies, and missteps, but it is rare to speak to someone who has seen so much history play out, including witnessing the Japanese invasion and occupation of what was then Malaya during World War II. Two days after we met I was in Singapore, and decided to go to the Old Ford Factory to see for myself where the Allied surrender took place. I stood in front of the distinctive facade of that historic building, and inside the boardroom where the Japanese and the British met. Almost everyone who can remember that time is gone now, but it is, along with so much else, part of Mahathir's life experience. How does he feel about being nearly the last of his generation, I asked him. "It's a little bit frightening," he admitted. "It means that you are very near the time when you are — well — no more." This much was clear to me: for as long as he is able, he will continue to talk about the way he sees the world. "I don't think you've made life easy for your successors by continuing to speak as you do," I told him as he wrapped up. He smiled. "Life is never easy, for anyone." And with that it was out onto the balcony for photographs, standing patiently for as long as we needed him, and off to his next meeting. —Mishal Husain Mishal Husain's weekly interviews will launch as a visual podcast on Bloomberg.com, YouTube, and audio platforms later this year. |
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